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Last post 07-19-2008, 12:37 AM by Evgeny. 31 replies.
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  •  06-08-2008, 1:06 PM 190025 in reply to 190023

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    TAP,   this is reasoning I can understand......Geeked
    Make each day count to improve yourself and those around you
  •  06-09-2008, 8:14 PM 190100 in reply to 190025

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Egor,

    It's not that hard.  You make it sound like one person, the President, has to somehow be our saviour.  We have to save ourselves, but we need somebody to MOTIVATE us.  As you saw from the huge voter turnout in the democratic primaries, and the Rock Concert size crowds that Obama is pulling - he can MOTIVATE.

    Obama will be the captain the turns the ship (the Worlds largest aircraft carrier) in a new direction.  All of us, the sailors, must be excited about this new change and do OUR part to help move things along.  If we all just sit back being stupid and lazy (what we are best at) not much changes.  We ALL need to feel part of something bigger  - hell, that's what religious is all about.  I'm hopeful Obama will give the US some 'religion' - in this case it's called PATRIOTISM.  WE are sick and tired of politics, of each other, of everything (gas prices, food prices, job pressures, money pressures, this that and the other).  We need somebody to motivate us to feel better about our country, our selves and our standing in the world. 

    Can McCain do that?  NO.  Can Obama do it?  Look at what the foreign press is saying.  They are going nuts for Obama.  The rest of the world will be pissed if McCain wins.  Can the whole world be wrong about McCain?  No.

    But most importantly, Egor, do you really want to vote for 100 more years of war in Iraq?  Do you really want that blood on your hands? 


    "Hearts will never be practical until they can be made unbreakable."

  •  06-09-2008, 8:23 PM 190101 in reply to 190100

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    James Bond:

    Egor,

    It's not that hard. 

    JB, I already understand his popularity, no need to explain it Big Smile

    Save your posts or print them out. Look at them in a few years.  you will not believe your eyes Big Smile


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  •  06-10-2008, 9:28 AM 190109 in reply to 190025

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Hey! As they say - "In Vino Veritas"  Wink

     

    mkgilstrap:
    TAP,   this is reasoning I can understand......Geeked


  •  06-10-2008, 9:29 AM 190110 in reply to 190025

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Hey! As they say - "In Vino Veritas"  Wink

     

    mkgilstrap:
    TAP,   this is reasoning I can understand......Geeked


  •  06-12-2008, 10:11 AM 190257 in reply to 190110

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    new poll by NBC/Wall Street Journal has Obama leading by 6%.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25096620

    I am amazed, with such a HUGE political advantage, the democrats have probably never been in a better position, plus the zombie Obama worshiping, AND the 26% approval rating for republican president.

    And he is only up by 6%?

    WTF is wrong with this party?  How do they ever expect to compete in normal situations?


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  •  06-12-2008, 2:13 PM 190264 in reply to 190257

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Do you really think that the entire country is ready for a black president? 


    Sweater, n.: garment worn by child when her mother is feeling chilly. ~Ambrose Bierce
  •  06-12-2008, 3:31 PM 190268 in reply to 190264

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Yes.  The racists are republican voters in every election, so they are not in play. 

    Moreover, Kerry had exactly the same demographic problems, if you get into the details of the poll. 

    Specifically, more people voted for Bush in 2004, than his OWN popularity rating at the time.   The same thing would happen today if Bush was running again.  So McCain really needs to convince like 10% of voters he is not Bush, and we have dead heat with Obama.

    I would pose another question - is the country ready for a far left extremist president? 

    And I am afraid we are.


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  •  06-12-2008, 11:06 PM 190270 in reply to 190006

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Egor:

    It's not the IQ that matters.  Its the intent and ideology.  If they are to dumb to execute it, I am only thankful for this Big Smile
     

    is it TOO dumb to execute it?

    No, think of PRINCIPALS and IDEOLOGY instead... Don't you think those are different things? Just a thought...


  •  06-12-2008, 11:27 PM 190272 in reply to 190010

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Egor:

    McCain has democrats on board in some capacity on every idea he has.  Partly because he uses reason, partly because he is McCain - a career uniter, no democrat is ashamed to work with him.

    Would you be so kindly to say when he actually started to do so?

    Well, let me guess ... I think it all started when he, J. McCain, had seriously started to run for what... wait a minute... the PRESIDENT. No!!!!

    P.S. What happened with this ... "McCain cooperated across party lines all his life." I thought you wrote it, Egor? Am I mistaken?


  •  06-13-2008, 12:09 AM 190273 in reply to 190272

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Evgeny, just do some research on this.  What I wrote is true.  This is one of his main criticisms from his own party, and the reason he could never win the nomination, until his dissent actually became an asset (separation from failed policies of his own party became attractive to republican voters).


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  •  06-13-2008, 1:51 AM 190275 in reply to 190273

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Egor:

    Evgeny, just do some research on this.  What I wrote is true.  This is one of his main criticisms from his own party, and the reason he could never win the nomination, until his dissent actually became an asset (separation from failed policies of his own party became attractive to republican voters).

    I did some research on him. And what I have found is that John McCain was always a conservative up until a few years before he started to run for the president (not this election... take it a decade back). I am puzzled why... Maybe I am naive and uninformative. Egor, help me with this, would you please disprove my thoughts and the others and say that his voting records as a republican senator was never consistent with the party line (the republicans it is) prior years of him to run for the president, or was it only after he started to run for the president?

    I think the republicans don't like him because he has no principals rather than... help me with that too, please... What?

     


  •  06-13-2008, 7:45 PM 190294 in reply to 190275

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Evgeny:
    Egor:

    Evgeny, just do some research on this.  What I wrote is true.  This is one of his main criticisms from his own party, and the reason he could never win the nomination, until his dissent actually became an asset (separation from failed policies of his own party became attractive to republican voters).

    I did some research on him. And what I have found is that John McCain was always a conservative up until a few years before he started to run for the president (not this election... take it a decade back). I am puzzled why... Maybe I am naive and uninformative. Egor, help me with this, would you please disprove my thoughts and the others and say that his voting records as a republican senator was never consistent with the party line (the republicans it is) prior years of him to run for the president, or was it only after he started to run for the president?

    I think the republicans don't like him because he has no principals rather than... help me with that too, please... What?

     

    Just like any other politician we know of. 


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  •  06-14-2008, 11:16 AM 190302 in reply to 190294

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    Ladies and Gentlemen, may I present to you the next president of the Socialistic States of America (ASS backwards) in his own words:

     

    The Reality Of Barack Hussein Obama... (from his own words.....)

     

    Aka Obama's "Not Exactly's":  

     

    1.) Selma Got Me Born - NOT EXACTLY,

    your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth,
    as Selma was in 1965. (Google'Obama Selma' for his full March 4, 2007 speech and
    articles about its various untruths.)

     

    2.) Father Was A Goat Herder - NOT EXACTLY,

    he was aprivileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the Kenyan Government.

    .

    3.) Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter - NOT EXACTLY,

    he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had.

     

    4.) My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom - NOT EXACTLY,

    your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting
    to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya. It is the first
    widespread violence in decades. The current government is pro-American
    but Odinga wants to overthrow it and establish Muslim Sharia law. Your
    half-brother, Abongo Obama, is Odinga's follower. You interrupted your 
    New Hampshire campaigning to speak to Odinga on the phone. Check out 
    the following link for verification of that....and for more.

    Obama's cousin Odinga in Kenya ran for president and
    tried to get Sharia muslim law in place there. When Odinga lost the
    elections, his followers have burned Christians' homes and then burned
    men, women and children alive in a Christian church where they took
    shelter.. Obama SUPPORTED his cousin before the election process here
    started. Google Obama and Odinga and see what you get. No one wants to know
    the truth.

     

    5.) My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian - NOT EXACTLY,

     she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own
    interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been
    one of 14 wives to 1 man.

     

    6.) My Name is African Swahili - NOT EXACTLY,

    your name is Arabic and 'Baraka' (from which Barack came) means
    'blessed' in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.

    Barack Hussein Obama is! not half black. If elected, he
    would be the first Arab-American President, not the first black
    President. Barack Hussein Obama is 50% Caucasian from his mother's side
    and 43.75% Arabic and 6.25% African Negro from his father's side. While
    Barack Hussein Obama's father was from Kenya, his father's family
    was mainly Arabs.. Barack Hussein Obama's father was only 12.5% African
    Negro and 87.5% Arab (his father's birth certificate even states
    he's Arab, not African Negro). From....and for more....go to.....
    http://www.arcadeathome.com/newsboy.phtml?Barack_Hussein_Obama_-_Arab-American,_only_6.25%25_African

     

    7.) I Never Practiced Islam - NOT EXACTLY,

    you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that
    faith for 31 years, until your wife made you change, so you could run
    for office.  4-3-08 Article "Obama was! 'quite religious in islam'" 
    http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=60559

     

    8.) My School In Indonesia Was Christian - NOT EXACTLY,

    you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic
    Studies for making faces (check your own book).

    February 28, 2008. Kristoff from the New York Times a
    year ago: Mr. Obama recalled the opening lines of the Arabic call to
    prayer, reciting them with a first-rate accent. In a remark that seemed
    delightfully uncalculated (it'll give Alabama voters heart attacks),
    Mr. Obama described the call to prayer as "one of the prettiest
    sounds on Earth at sunset." This is just one example of what Pamela
    is talking about when she says "Obama's narrative is being altered,
    enhanced and manipulated to whitewash troubling facts!

     

    9) I was Fluent in Indonesian - NOT EXACTLY.

    not one teacher says you could speak the Language.


    10.) Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience - NOT EXACTLY,

    you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, andcouldn't even speak the language.
    What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons.

     

    11.) I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs - NOT EXACTLY,

    except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have
    never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience
    with our closest allies.

     

    12.) I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion - NOT EXACTLY,

    you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no
    mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your
    classmates said you were just fine.

     

    13.)An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office - NOT EXACTLY,

    Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It
    doesn't, and never did, exist.

     

    14.) A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life -NOT EXACTLY,

    Life has yet to find the article you mention in your
    book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.

     

    15.) I Won't Run On A National Ticket In '08 - NOT EXACTLY,

    here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have
    enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience  first.

     

    16.) Voting "Present" is Common In Illinois Senate - NOT EXACTLY,

    they are common for YOU, but not many others have 130 NO VOTES.

     

    17.) Oops, I Misvoted - NOT EXACTLY,

    only when caught by church groups and Democrats, did you beg to change your misvote.

     

    18.) I Was A Professor Of Law - NOT EXACTLY,

    you were a:

     

    19.) I Was A Constitutional Lawyer - NOT EXACTLY,

    you were a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.

     

    20.) Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill - NOT EXACTLY,
     you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.

     

    21.) The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass - NOT EXACTLY, 

    it took just 14 days from start to finish.

     

    22.) I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill - NOT EXACTLY,

    your bill! was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all
    regulation - mainly because of your Nuclear donor, Exelon, from which
    David Axelrod came. 

     

    23.) I Have Released My State Records - NOT EXACTLY,

    as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be
    released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.

     

    24.) I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess - NOT EXACTLY,

    you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld
    Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.

     

    25.) My Economics Bill Will Help America - NOT EXACTLY,
    your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which
    lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.

     

    26.) I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois - NOT EXACTLY,
    even your own supporters claim to have not seen BOLD action on your part.

     

    27.) I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year - NOT EXACTLY,
    they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their
    creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.

     

    28.) No One on my campaign contacted Canada about NAFTA -NOT EXACTLY,

    the Candian Government issued the names and a memo of the
    conversation your campaign had with them.

     

    29.) I Am Tough On Terrorism - NOT EXACTLY,

    you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali
    Abunimah supports the destruction off Israel.

     

    30.) I Want All Votes To Count - NOT EXACTLY,

    you said let the delegates decide.

     

    31.) I Want Americans To Decide - NOT EXACTLY,

    you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote,
    and only operate during small windows of time.

     

    32.) I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate - NOT EXACTLY,
    you passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.

     

    33.) I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics - NOT EXACTLY,

    You used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against You.

      

    34.) I Don't Take PAC! Money - NOT EXACTLY,

    you take Loads of it.

     

    35.) I don't Have Lobbysists - NOT EXACTLY,

    you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.

      

    36.) My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad - NOT EXACTLY,

    your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.

     

    37.) I Have Always Been Against Iraq - NOT EXACTLY,

    you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it
    every single time.

     

    38.) I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care - NOT EXACTLY,

    your plan leaves us all to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it 

     

     


  •  06-17-2008, 4:46 PM 190359 in reply to 190302

    Re: Obama vs McCain

    So, he's for Nuclear power ?!?!?

     

     

    That's it - he's my vote !! 


    - Независимость - это когда в 20-й раз наступаешь на одни и те же грабли, а русские уже ни при чем....
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