HomeBusinessRussian Concerts ForumsPhoto AlbumTravelLinksRussian TV
Welcome to Russian Forums Sign in | Join | Help | Active

Финансовый кризис 2008.

Last post 12-16-2008, 2:43 PM by KGBMan. 21 replies.
Page 1 of 2 (22 items)   1 2 Next >
Sort Posts: Previous Next
  •  10-29-2008, 1:30 PM 193035

    • 412 is not online. Last active: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 9:24 PM 412
    • Top 25 Contributor
      Male
    • Joined on 05-12-2004
    • Атланта, Грузия, Америса
    • Posts 4,159

    Финансовый кризис 2008.

    Буду втыкать сюда что найду интересным.  И всем того же желаю.  Можно даже без обсуждения, просто чтиво.

     
    Thursday, September 18th, 2008

    The Real Reason for the Global Financial Crisis…the Story No One’s Talking About

    [Part I of a three-part series looking at how so-called “credit default swap” derivatives could ignite a worldwide capital markets meltdown.]

    By Shah Gilani
    Contributing Editor

    Are you shell-shocked? Are you wondering what’s really going on in the market? The truth is probably more frightening than even your worst fears. And yet, you won’t hear about it anywhere else because “they” can’t tell you. “They” are the U.S. Federal Reserve and the U.S. Treasury Department, and they can’t tell you what’s really going on because there’s nothing they can do about it, except what they’ve been trying to do - add liquidity.

    At the exchange rate yesterday (Wednesday), 35 trillion British Pounds was equivalent to U.S. $62 trillion (hence, the 35 trillion Pound gorilla). According to the International Swaps and Derivatives Association, $62 trillion is the notional value of credit default swaps (CDS) out there, somewhere, in the market.

    This isn’t the first time Money Morning has warned readers about the dangers of credit default swaps. And it won’t be the last.

    The Genesis of a Derivative Boom

    In the mid-1980s, upon arriving in New York from Chicago with an extensive background trading options and futures (the original derivatives), I was offered a job at what was then Citicorp [today's Citigroup Inc. (C)]. The offer was for an entry-level post in the bank’s brand new OTC (over-the-counter, meaning not exchange traded) swaps and derivatives group. When I asked what the economic purpose of swaps was, the answer came back: “To make money for the bank.”


    I declined the position.

    It used to be that regulators and legislators demanded theoretical, empirical, and quantitative measures of the efficacy of new tradable instruments being proposed by exchanges. What is their purpose? How will they benefit the capital markets and the economy? And, what safeguards will accompany their introduction?

    Not any more. In the early 1990s, in order to hedge their loan risks, J. P. Morgan & Co. [now JPMorgan Chase & Co. (JPM)] bankers devised credit default swaps.

    A credit default swap is, essentially, an insurance contract between a protection buyer and a protection seller covering a corporation’s, or sovereign’s (the “referenced entity”), specific bond or loan. A protection buyer pays an upfront amount and yearly premiums to the protection seller to cover any loss on the face amount of the referenced bond or loan.
    Typically, the insurance is for five years.

    Credit default swaps are bilateral contracts, meaning they are private contracts between two parties. CDSs are subject only to the collateral and margin agreed to by contract. They are traded over-the-counter, usually by telephone. They are subject to re-sale to another party willing to enter into another contract. Most frighteningly, credit default swaps are subject to “counterparty risk.”

    If the party providing the insurance protection - once it has collected its upfront payment and premiums - doesn’t have the money to pay the insured buyer in the case of a default event affecting the referenced bond or loan (think hedge funds), or if the “insurer” goes bankrupt (Bear Stearns was almost there, and American International Group Inc. (AIG) was almost there) the buyer is not covered - period. The premium payments are gone, as is the insurance against default.

    Credit default swaps are not standardized instruments. In fact, they technically aren’t true securities in the classic sense of the word in that they’re not transparent, aren’t traded on any exchange, aren’t subject to present securities laws, and aren’t regulated. They are, however, at risk - all $62 trillion (the best guess by the ISDA) of them.

    Fundamentally, this kind of derivative serves a real purpose - as a hedging device. The actual holders, or creditors, of outstanding corporate or sovereign loans and bonds might seek insurance to guarantee that the debts they are owed are repaid. That’s the economic purpose of insurance.

    What happened, however, is that risk speculators who wanted exposure to certain asset classes, various bonds and loans, or security pools such as residential and commercial mortgage-backed securities (yes, those same subprime mortgage-backed securities that you’ve been reading about), but didn’t actually own the underlying credits, now had a means by which to speculate on them.

    If you think XYZ Corp. is in trouble, and won’t be able to pay back its bondholders, you can speculate by buying, and paying premiums for, credit default swaps on their bonds, which will pay you the full face amount of the bonds if they do actually default. If, on the other hand, you think that XYZ Corp. is doing just fine, and its bonds are as good as gold, you can offer insurance to a fellow speculator, who holds the opinion opposite yours. That means you’d essentially be speculating that the bonds would not default. You’re hoping that you’ll collect, and keep, all the premiums, and never have to pay off on the insurance. It’s pure speculation.

    Credit default swaps are not unlike me being able to insure your house, not with you, but with someone else entirely not connected to your house, so that if your house is washed away in the next hurricane I get paid its value. I’m speculating on an event. I’m making a bet.

    The bad news is that there are even worse bets out there. There are credit default swaps written on subprime mortgage securities. It’s bad enough that these subprime mortgage pools that banks, investment banks, insurance companies, hedge funds and others bought were over-rated and ended up falling precipitously in value as foreclosures mounted on the underlying mortgages in the pools.

    What’s even worse, however, is that speculators sold and bought trillions of dollars of insurance that these pools would, or wouldn’t, default! The sellers of this insurance (AIG is one example) are getting killed as defaults continue to rise with no end in sight.

    And this is only where the story begins.

    The Ticking Time Bomb

    What is happening in both the stock and credit markets is a direct result of what’s playing out in the CDS market. The Fed could not let Bear Stearns enter bankruptcy because - and only because - the trillions of dollars of credit default swaps on its books would be wiped out. All the banks and institutions that had insurance written by Bear would not be able to say that they were insured or hedged anymore and they would have to write-down billions and billions of dollars in losses that they’ve been carrying at higher values because they could say that they were insured for those losses.

    The counterparty risk that all Bear’s trading partners were exposed to was so far and wide, and so deep, that if Bear was to enter bankruptcy it would take years to sort out the risk and losses. That was an untenable option.

    The Fed had to bail out Bear Stearns.

    The same thing has just happened to AIG. Make no mistake about it, there’s nothing wrong with AIG’s insurance subsidiaries - absolutely nothing. In fact, the Fed just made the best trade in its history by bailing AIG out and getting equity, warrants and charging the insurance giant seven points over the benchmark London Interbank Offered Rate (LIBOR) on that $85 billion loan!

    What happened to AIG is simple: AIG got greedy. AIG, as of June 30, had written $441 billion worth of swaps on corporate bonds, and worse, mortgage-backed securities. As the value of these insured-referenced entities fell, AIG had massive write-downs and additionally had to post more collateral. And when its ratings were downgraded on Monday evening, the company had to post even more collateral, which it didn’t have.

    In short, what happened in one small AIG corporate subsidiary blew apart the largest insurance company in the world.

    But there’s more - a lot more. These instruments are causing many of the massive write-downs at banks, investment banks and insurance companies. Knowing what all this means for hedge funds, the credit markets and the stock market is the key to understanding where this might end and how.

    The rest of the story will be illuminated in the next two installments. Next up: An examination of the AIG collapse, followed by a look at how bad things could get, and what we can do to fix the problem at hand. So stay tuned.


    За наше авто
  •  10-29-2008, 3:23 PM 193057 in reply to 193035

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    Что-то похожее: http://www.uabanker.net/daily/2008/10/102908_1510.shtml

    15:10 | США | ЛIГАБiзнесIнформ

    Американцы назвали главного виновника финансового кризиса

    Согласно опросу компании "Harris Interactive", 76% жителей США винят в мировом кризисе банки и финансовые компании, которые выдавали ипотечные кредиты людям, изначально неспособным свои долги обслуживать.

    Как сообщает Международное информационно-аналитическое агентство "Washington ProFile", 58% граждан считают главными виновникам обвала заведомо неплатежеспособных покупателей домов. 57% голосов получил Уолл-Стрит, 55% - большой бизнес, 51% - Конгресс США, 48% - Президент Джордж Буш.

    В списке виновных также находятся бюджет и торговый дефицит США (47%), "очень богатые" (39%), республиканцы (35%), демократы (26%), другие страны (17%), экс-президент Билл Клинтон (16%), кандидаты в президенты США и сенаторы Джон МакКейн (12%) и Барак Обама (11%).

    Опрошенные могли выбрать несколько вариантов ответа, поэтому общая сумма превышает 100%. 

  •  11-16-2008, 3:31 PM 193313 in reply to 193057

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    О том,как создают деньги из воздуха и как получается мировой финансовый кризис
    Документальный фильм "Дух времени" ЗДЕСЬ!





    Ab altero expectes, alteri quod feceris.
  •  11-16-2008, 9:32 PM 193319 in reply to 193035

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    CBS 60 minutes has a good story about this a few weeks ago:  http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/10/26/60minutes/main4546199.shtml

    One thing I don't really understand is why can't the government (Congress or even the courts) declare credit default swaps held by people or institutions who don't actually own the securities they insure unenforcible gambling debts?  The CDS issuers may have to refund the fees but will not have to pay the value.

    So far it seems we are throwing good money after bad to keep AIG from collapsing.


    Sasha

    -------------------
    Work is a matter of taste. If you don't work you don't taste.
  •  11-24-2008, 8:52 193375 in reply to 193319

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    Вот таким образом происходит "Решение" вопросов, связанных с кризисом, в том числе в России.

    http://grani-tv.ru/entries/503/

     


    Ab altero expectes, alteri quod feceris.
  •  11-26-2008, 3:44 193391 in reply to 193375

    • art-drobanov is not online. Last active: 01-05-2009, 5:16 art-drobanov
    • Top 500 Contributor
      Male
    • Joined on 10-27-2008
    • Россия, г. Череповец (Вологодская обл.)
    • Posts 11

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    Прогнозы достаточно негативные. Есть слухи, что ипотечная ставка будет увеличена вдвое, что, вероятно, приведет к отрицательной "финансовой плавучести" многие семьи. Печально. Акции металлургических предприятий (нашей "Северсталь") упали более чем в десять раз. Закрыто доменное производство, сокращена треть работников, зарплата урезана. Сокращается количество филиалов в сети магазинов и даже аптек. Цены выросли на некоторое количество процентов, хотя в условиях кризиса обычно бывает наоборот. Выводы такие - всё ещё впереди. Уже ясно что уровень жизни в Череповце упадет на треть, и не меньше. По России прогноз аналогичный. Время выхода на прежний уровень производства от двух лет и более... А как у вас в Атланте?
    "Позитивная философия жизни есть предопределенный успех в пока ещё не известных направлениях..."
  •  12-12-2008, 1:36 PM 193481 in reply to 193035

    • 412 is not online. Last active: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 9:24 PM 412
    • Top 25 Contributor
      Male
    • Joined on 05-12-2004
    • Атланта, Грузия, Америса
    • Posts 4,159

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    Из Frobes ни более ни менее: http://www.forbes.com/finance/2008/12/09/dollar-devaluation-gold-pf-ii-in_fb_1209soapbox_inl.html

     

    Forbes.com


    Adviser Soapbox
    Dollar Devaluation To Fix The Great Recession
    Frank Beck 12.09.08, 1:00 PM ET

    What began as government social tinkering--with implied threats to banks and mortgage companies to extend home loans to even the most marginal of borrowers--led to a greed-blinded mortgage banking business and the meltdown we are experiencing today. Now we are asked by the same congressional leadership to go along with taxpayer-funded bailouts of the very banksters who, while making millions, created the mess.

    Despite the trillions of dollars already expended recapitalizing banks, there is very little, if any, progress to show. Will a few trillion more do the trick? That seems to be the consensus among Congress and the banks. "They are simply too big to let fail," or are they really just too big to save? We can go back to "Plan A" and buy the toxic assets. If so, at what price? What if a few trillion does not remove enough toxic waste from the system or doesn't get credit flowing again and the economy bustling?

    Some argue that it is time to help Main Street, not Wall Street. So, we should "forgive" some of the mortgages for those who are 90 days or more behind on their payments. Have you quit paying yet?

    If we are to save bankers, shouldn't we at least distinguish between those who possess the intelligence to renegotiate their loans to workable terms? If we are to save homeowners, should not we first define the term "homeowner?" Perhaps it is not only someone who agreed to and signed a mortgage and is living in a house. Just perhaps, it should also include the stipulation that this individual paid some amount of a down payment: 20%, 5%, a dollar. I can tell you who is not a homeowner. It is not someone who paid zero down and ridiculously low payments for two years; that, my friend, is a renter.

    The problem with all these ideas is the money is only directed at those who created or benefited from the problems. Why not attack the situation in a manner that will benefit most everyone, an approach that has been successful before and, when compared to the current course, has little downside?

    Here it is. Stand back. World currencies should be devalued overnight.

    It can be done on a country-by-country basis, but a coordinated devaluation would work best. A devaluation of 30% would raise the dollar value of all assets by 43%. A $200,000 home with a $230,000 mortgage would become a $286,000 home with the same mortgage. Presto! The homeowner who was $30,000 upside-down now has $56,000 equity and a good reason to make his payments. Both the homeowner and the bank are immediately better-off.

    It would even benefit those who purchased their homes responsibly, as the value of their homes would rise by the same 43%. The current course of throwing trillions of dollars at the culprits is without any benefit to those who acted responsibly.

    Admittedly, this is not a solution without the price of inflation, but the inflation would be short-lived. The current course will ultimately cause massive inflation that cannot be accurately estimated, and it may not even solve the problem.

    Currency devaluation proved effective in ending the Great Depression. In 1930, Australia was the first to leave the gold standard, immediately devaluing the aussie by more than 40%, and the economy quickly recovered. New Zealand and Japan followed suit in 1931, each with the same result. By 1933, at least nine major economies had enacted a devaluation of their currency by removing it from the gold standard, all of whom emerged from depression.

    In 1933, through a series of gold-related acts, culminating in the Gold Reserve Act of 1934, America realized a dollar devaluation of 41% when the price of gold was adjusted from $20.67 per ounce of gold to $35 per ounce. America, like the others before, had its economy bottom and recover as a result. Of the larger economies, only the French and Italians continued to adhere to the gold standard, and their economies remained depressed until finally, in 1936, they allowed their currencies to devalue, and their economies then recovered.

    I see no reason to believe we would have any different result today. Only debt would remain the same. All other assets would immediately be worth more (in nominal terms), whether it be a home, a stock, an ounce of gold or a used car. Bank balance sheets would immediately improve, as many loans would be moved from non-performing to performing status. Banks would be paid with devalued dollars, but they made millions creating the mess. The current use of government stimulus through the creation of dollars will certainly lead to a similar or worse devaluation, so this is likely a net gain for the banks too.

    Businesses would instantly become more profitable, and workers' pay would increase, allowing each to pay their debts more easily, even while sending more tax dollars to Washington, without raising tax rates. As assets are sold, the capital gains would send even more taxes to Washington. States and locales would receive more revenue via sales and property tax, improving the fiscal condition of school districts and local governments. The national debt would effectively be reduced by the same 25%, giving future generations a chance. Combine the move with a congressional pledge to only raise the budget by half the devaluation, and we could be on track for a balanced budget and paying down the debt.

    As the old Saturday Night Live skit said, "Think of inflation as your friend. Wouldn't you like to wear $1,000 suits and smoke $100 cigars?" I know I would.

    Frank Beck is Chief Investment Manager of Capital Financial Group and ProPlayer Investing in Austin, Texas, an affiliate of Partnervest Securities of Santa Barbara, Calif. Mr. Beck may be reached at Frank@FrankBeck.com.

    removeXmlTagContents( "name.given" ); removeXmlTagContents( "name.family

    ЗЫ Пиздец не за горами.


    За наше авто
  •  12-12-2008, 1:42 PM 193482 in reply to 193481

    • 412 is not online. Last active: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 9:24 PM 412
    • Top 25 Contributor
      Male
    • Joined on 05-12-2004
    • Атланта, Грузия, Америса
    • Posts 4,159

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    А это вам как?

    Амеро 

    Конечно может быть мистификация, но на фоне того что происходит. . .


    За наше авто
  •  12-13-2008, 12:04 193484 in reply to 193481

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    I am surprised such a bad article was published in Forbes magazine.

    The author fails to mention that devaluation/inflation is a tax - a tax on savings.  If you have any money saved in non-inflation protected assets (that's just about everything except i-Bonds) these assets will go down in value.  Basically what author proposes is to have all the people who saved bail out those who spent themselves into debt up to their eyeballs. 

    You can devalue all you want.  You can't create something out of nothing. 


    Sasha

    -------------------
    Work is a matter of taste. If you don't work you don't taste.
  •  12-13-2008, 12:25 193485 in reply to 193484

    • 412 is not online. Last active: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 9:24 PM 412
    • Top 25 Contributor
      Male
    • Joined on 05-12-2004
    • Атланта, Грузия, Америса
    • Posts 4,159

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    В том то и деле что в Forbes.  Готовят?

    За наше авто
  •  12-14-2008, 12:48 193487 in reply to 193485

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    412:
    В том то и деле что в Forbes.  Готовят?

    Я не верю во всекие конспирологические теории.  Автор статьи несет ахинею ИМХО.  Готовить можно все что угодно.  Хоть я и не большой экономист но думаю что тут хоть девальвируй, хоть не девальвируй, хоть сверни в ком и отбей от четырех стенок, выйдти из этого кризиса без потерь не удасться.  Жили в долг, теперь надо расплачиваться.

     


    Sasha

    -------------------
    Work is a matter of taste. If you don't work you don't taste.
  •  12-14-2008, 6:33 193488 in reply to 193487

    • 412 is not online. Last active: Tue, Jan 06 2009, 9:24 PM 412
    • Top 25 Contributor
      Male
    • Joined on 05-12-2004
    • Атланта, Грузия, Америса
    • Posts 4,159

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    gtSasha:

    Жили в долг, теперь надо расплачиваться.

    Только чем?


    За наше авто
  •  12-14-2008, 2:05 PM 193491 in reply to 193035

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    This whole thing smacks as extremely unsound as a business practice.  I always thought when a bank loaned money, it took collateral, especially on a large amount of money.  This whole business sounds unethical.  
    Make each day count to improve yourself and those around you
  •  12-15-2008, 12:07 PM 193495 in reply to 193491

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    I don't think this was a serious article, whatever "Adviser Soapbox" means under the title.  Sounds like op-ed.  I actually like the article because its thought-provoking.  Like a good forum post.  Big Smile

    ________________________________________
    "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский
  •  12-15-2008, 12:17 PM 193496 in reply to 193488

    Re: Финансовый кризис 2008.

    412:
    gtSasha:

    Жили в долг, теперь надо расплачиваться.

    Только чем?

    Absent a creative solution, - with printed money, and by taking on more foreign debt. 

    I agree with gtSasha in theory, i just do not expect that US consumer debt including mortgage debt will ever be paid.  It is not mathematically possible.  There is not going to be enough incoming cash at the base of the debt pyramids.

    As a result, it is reasonable that illusions and creative "workarounds" will pop up.  It is true that they are all ill-advised.  But some of them will have to be chosen at some point.  It's just a matter of fact.  At some point, bailouts are going to have to stop and be replaced with workable solutions.  Because I don't expect the US foreign debt to ever be paid either, and eventually the lenders will realize it too. What happens then?

    American people and media are beginning to lean "short-term pragmatic" in their expectations of governemnt for the duration of the public perception of a crisis.  I would not be surprised if something equally drastic to what's being described in this article will be seriously considered.  Otherwise respectable minds,  voicing concerns and objections are starting to be treated as counterproductive obstructionists.  Remind anyone of the time surrounding the invasion of Iraq?


    ________________________________________
    "Я это понимаю на рациональном уровне, но не могу принять на эмоциональном" --Бизнесмен Борис Березовский
Page 1 of 2 (22 items)   1 2 Next >
View as RSS news feed in XML

Contact Us | Privacy Statement | Link to Us | Advertising | Help
TOP.germany.ruBaraban
Copyright ©2001-07 by KOSTYA, INC.